New Content - Implemented Two Crazy Random Summer
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I'm being cautious about the new spoon. The first IOTM after a new path rolls out tends to be something special for that path.
So, is what's "special" aboit the spoon that it has 11 modifiers? Are they hand-picked to be appropriate to the class/sign?
Or, perhaps, do they differ per player, a la the ring?
Since it came out yesterday, it is too early to tell. So, for now, I am not saving the TCRS mods for it in the data files. For now, I'll treat it like we (soon will) treat the ring - load the modifiers from the description at run time, in case it does vary per player.
It'll all work with the (soon to come) "tcrs update", which is needed for new items which are not in the published data files - all 20 something of them.
We'll know soon enough how this item works.
So, is what's "special" aboit the spoon that it has 11 modifiers? Are they hand-picked to be appropriate to the class/sign?
Or, perhaps, do they differ per player, a la the ring?
Since it came out yesterday, it is too early to tell. So, for now, I am not saving the TCRS mods for it in the data files. For now, I'll treat it like we (soon will) treat the ring - load the modifiers from the description at run time, in case it does vary per player.
It'll all work with the (soon to come) "tcrs update", which is needed for new items which are not in the published data files - all 20 something of them.
We'll know soon enough how this item works.
Magus_Prime
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Regarding "the spoon"...When I got the spoon I was in a Sauceror - Marmot run and the modifiers were set. I then went into aftercore and I'd swear that the modifiers changed, I then ascended into a Sauceror - Mongoose run and got, I'm pretty sure, another set of modifiers.
Sadly the modifiers do not appear in the session log nor, it seems, does the output of "tcrs spoon".
I didn't think to copy them out of the gCLI.
Sadly the modifiers do not appear in the session log nor, it seems, does the output of "tcrs spoon".
I didn't think to copy them out of the gCLI.
I am sure that the modifiers changed in aftercore; if you are not in a TCRS run, you get a fancy set of standard modifiers.
I'll add the output of tcrs spoon to the session log.
In the mean time, revision 19283 adds "tcrs update" - which is done automatically when you log in to (or ascend into) a TCRS run.
After loading the TCRS modifiers, it will look at all known items and derive modifiers for items added since the data file was created. It will then save the (updated) modifiers in your data directory. This future proofs us against the inevitable new items KoL adds after we have published TCRS data files; we won't HAVE to keep publishing updated data files.
I'll add the output of tcrs spoon to the session log.
In the mean time, revision 19283 adds "tcrs update" - which is done automatically when you log in to (or ascend into) a TCRS run.
After loading the TCRS modifiers, it will look at all known items and derive modifiers for items added since the data file was created. It will then save the (updated) modifiers in your data directory. This future proofs us against the inevitable new items KoL adds after we have published TCRS data files; we won't HAVE to keep publishing updated data files.
Revision 19284 prints the output of "tcrs spoon" to the session log.
It also loads the modifiers for "ring" and "hewn moon-rune spoon" when you reset the TCRS modifiers (by freeing the king or simply logging in) or log in (or ascend into) a TCRS run. That might be all the support we need for "ring". And it may be overkill if the hewn moon-rune spoon is the same for everybody for a particular class/sign TCRS run. If so, I'll eventually remove the unnecessary code.
It also loads the modifiers for "ring" and "hewn moon-rune spoon" when you reset the TCRS modifiers (by freeing the king or simply logging in) or log in (or ascend into) a TCRS run. That might be all the support we need for "ring". And it may be overkill if the hewn moon-rune spoon is the same for everybody for a particular class/sign TCRS run. If so, I'll eventually remove the unnecessary code.
I tried Fettucini Inconnu, which is a 3-full "good" food in Sauceror/Packrat.
I expected 3 * 3 ('good') + 5 ('Saucemaven') + 1 ('Special Seasoning') = 15 adventures.
Code:
Eating 1 fettucini Inconnu...
You gain 15 Adventures
You gain 37 Beefiness
You gain 10 Wizardliness
You gain 9 Smarm
You ate Special Seasoning with your food
Finished eating 1 fettucini InconnuAlso, revision 19285 improves what we show in the Usables (Food/Booze/Spleen) panels for consumables that grant an effect:
Unspaded 50 EFFECTNAME (EFFECT MODIFIERS)
(Since the adv/mus/mys/mox are still unspaded.)
Makes we wish we had a "Potions" panel which would list all the potions you have in inventory and what effect they grant.
So, if I reincarnate into a class for which files don't exist (e.g. Disco Bandit Opossum), the Java GUI pops up a dialog box asking if I want to generate the files for the class/Path.
Except, I reincarnated in the relay browser and so the request is behind a browser window. It took me a moment to figure out that KoLMafia was waiting for user input in the background.
I can't think of an obvious fix for that, but hopefully someone else can!
--MCroft
Except, I reincarnated in the relay browser and so the request is behind a browser window. It took me a moment to figure out that KoLMafia was waiting for user input in the background.
I can't think of an obvious fix for that, but hopefully someone else can!
--MCroft
Relying on the GUI can be similarly difficult in headless mode. Granted, I’ve gotten the impression I’m one of the only people who regularly use KoLmafia that way, but it may still be worth considering. I’d appreciate a way to handle confirmation dialogs from the CLI, which could also help MCroft’s case if they have the relay CLI open.
r19288
Thank you.
The hidden window problem is noted but I personally am going to do nothing about it. First, once we have a complete set of files the problem is unlikely to occur. So it is something that can be fixed by just waiting a few days or weeks for the files to be generated and checked in. Second, the problem of windows popping up where they are not noticed exists elsewhere in KoLmafia and has been around for a while. In general it is an extremely difficult problem to solve and again, I have other things I would rather do with my time than beat my head against this wall yet another time. As a user I am resigned to the fact that sometimes I just have to go hunting for a window when things seem to be not running.
I agree that that is probably the right call for the moment. If anyone does want to try and tackle it, it should probably be at the level of the helper functions that create the JavaX objects, as opposed to handling it for each dialog. That may not be worth the added complexity.
Source Forge is doing maintenance. I will check in Disco Bandit Platypus when I can, unless someone beats me to it.
The issue I recall from writing commercial software that had the problem was that we could guarantee which of our (Java) windows was on the top but we had no control (or information) about what else was on the user's screen. Some users would start our software, then run a full screen game and then complain because our window did not interrupt their game. We had partial solutions and workarounds and came pretty close if the user was running with Administrator privileges but never had a 100% solution. It was much easier, and actually a more robust solution, to tell the users "Don't Do That" and include a paragraph in the documentation and 5 minutes in training letting them know it could happen. There may be something out there that makes it easier now than it was then but fundamentally I think the hiding windows problem is an OS level problem and not something that can be (completely) solved with just Java. IMO. YMMV.
I thin that is a Windows thing. On my Mac, when I ascend in the Relay Browser, the popup appears centered over my main KoLmafia frame. On top.
I could have sworn that InputUtilities did something to deal with Headless. Not that I ever use that, since I use a lot of the GUI features, even though I run in the Relay Browser. For TCRS, I use the Encyclopedia every day to look up items, use the Food & Booze panels to decide what to consume, use the Maximizer to see what items and effects are available, and so on.
Something I'd really like is something to help me in Valhalla to see what astral items do for a given TCRS class/sign. You can click on item images to get the description - and they do seem to pop up TCRS item descriptions. Not completely sure how it works; I seem to recall that if I selected a TCRS path and then said "no, I want to adjust that" and went to look at the astral items, I'd see TCRS stuff. Have not confirmed they apply to what I was considering taking. I'll experiment next time in Valhalla.
Sounds like it could be a relay script.
The astral consumables differ in size, too. They have descriptors like "moldy", etc. My impression is they don't have "quality", so things like that don't affect things. Size does matter, in that hey will use up more (or less) organ space, but I don't tthink the adventure/stat yield scales with size - although I have not tested. If astral pilsner is size 1 - and gives its usual stats - what if the TCRS version is larger?
Again, a relay script showing the change in size for the consumable would be useful.
And did you know that a steel margarita varies in size?
Drinking one adds 5 to your maximum inebriety - so if it is smaller than size 5, you have extra room in your liver to use right now - but if it is larger than 5, you can end up over drunk.
I could have sworn that InputUtilities did something to deal with Headless. Not that I ever use that, since I use a lot of the GUI features, even though I run in the Relay Browser. For TCRS, I use the Encyclopedia every day to look up items, use the Food & Booze panels to decide what to consume, use the Maximizer to see what items and effects are available, and so on.
Something I'd really like is something to help me in Valhalla to see what astral items do for a given TCRS class/sign. You can click on item images to get the description - and they do seem to pop up TCRS item descriptions. Not completely sure how it works; I seem to recall that if I selected a TCRS path and then said "no, I want to adjust that" and went to look at the astral items, I'd see TCRS stuff. Have not confirmed they apply to what I was considering taking. I'll experiment next time in Valhalla.
Sounds like it could be a relay script.
The astral consumables differ in size, too. They have descriptors like "moldy", etc. My impression is they don't have "quality", so things like that don't affect things. Size does matter, in that hey will use up more (or less) organ space, but I don't tthink the adventure/stat yield scales with size - although I have not tested. If astral pilsner is size 1 - and gives its usual stats - what if the TCRS version is larger?
Again, a relay script showing the change in size for the consumable would be useful.
And did you know that a steel margarita varies in size?
Code:
TCRS_Accordion_Thief_Blender.txt:2716:2743 aged steel margarita 3
TCRS_Accordion_Thief_Marmot.txt:2711:2743 triple-distilled smooth huge narrow steel margarita 6
TCRS_Accordion_Thief_Mongoose.txt:2716:2743 bad spirit-forward steel margarita 5
TCRS_Accordion_Thief_Packrat.txt:2716:2743 hand-crafted steel margarita 4
TCRS_Accordion_Thief_Platypus.txt:2712:2743 hand-crafted practically non-alcoholic steel margarita 1
TCRS_Accordion_Thief_Vole.txt:2716:2743 lousy steel margarita 3
TCRS_Disco_Bandit_Mongoose.txt:2716:2743 weak special bad wobbly blue steel margarita 2 Effect: "Weird Flavor", Effect Duration: 15
TCRS_Disco_Bandit_Opossum.txt:2716:2743 perfectly mixed special practically non-alcoholic steel margarita 1 Effect: "Nothing Is Impossible", Effect Duration: 10
TCRS_Disco_Bandit_Packrat.txt:2716:2743 acceptable high-proof enchanted steel margarita 6 Effect: "Cruisin' for a Bruisin'", Effect Duration: 5
TCRS_Disco_Bandit_Vole.txt:2716:2743 delicious irresponsibly strong steel margarita 9
TCRS_Disco_Bandit_Wallaby.txt:2716:2743 lousy weak steel margarita 2
TCRS_Pastamancer_Blender.txt:2716:2743 mediocre steel margarita 3
TCRS_Pastamancer_Vole.txt:2715:2743 boozy perfectly mixed olive steel margarita 5
TCRS_Pastamancer_Wallaby.txt:2716:2743 irresponsibly strong bad steel margarita 9
TCRS_Sauceror_Blender.txt:2716:2743 smooth steel margarita 4
TCRS_Sauceror_Marmot.txt:2716:2743 practically non-alcoholic bad jittery steel margarita 1
TCRS_Sauceror_Mongoose.txt:2716:2743 bad distilled steel margarita 5
TCRS_Sauceror_Opossum.txt:2716:2743 triple-distilled artisanal steel margarita 7
TCRS_Sauceror_Packrat.txt:2716:2743 watered-down bad steel margarita 2
TCRS_Sauceror_Wallaby.txt:2716:2743 hand-crafted watered-down narrow steel margarita 2
TCRS_Sauceror_Wombat.txt:2716:2743 tolerable steel margarita 3
TCRS_Seal_Clubber_Mongoose.txt:2716:2743 artisanal jittery steel margarita 3
TCRS_Seal_Clubber_Platypus.txt:2716:2743 artisanal tumbling steel margarita 3
TCRS_Seal_Clubber_Vole.txt:2716:2743 bad steel margarita 3
TCRS_Seal_Clubber_Wombat.txt:2716:2743 aged weak squat steel margarita 2
TCRS_Turtle_Tamer_Mongoose.txt:2716:2743 smooth practically non-alcoholic steel margarita 1
TCRS_Turtle_Tamer_Wombat.txt:2714:2743 watered-down artisanal spinning steel margarita 2
Crowther
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It also gives adventures!
Boondoggle
Member
My Spoon evolved!
Seal Clubber + Opossum
wool scorching Jack Frost's Annie Oakley's hale forbidden Socratic experienced hewn moon-rune spoon of bravery of the glutton of Flo-Jo 0 Experience: +2, Experience (Mysticality): +1, Spell Damage Percent: +50, Maximum HP: +20, Critical Hit Percent: +20, Cold Spell Damage: +50, Hot Damage: +25, Cold Resistance: +1, Spooky Resistance: +5, Food Drop: +100, Initiative: +100, Single Equip
Seal Clubber + Opossum
wool scorching Jack Frost's Annie Oakley's hale forbidden Socratic experienced hewn moon-rune spoon of bravery of the glutton of Flo-Jo 0 Experience: +2, Experience (Mysticality): +1, Spell Damage Percent: +50, Maximum HP: +20, Critical Hit Percent: +20, Cold Spell Damage: +50, Hot Damage: +25, Cold Resistance: +1, Spooky Resistance: +5, Food Drop: +100, Initiative: +100, Single Equip
One Sided Die
New member
Turtle Tamer, Packrat. I really like this one. Lots of sweet potions in market and gno-mart. 22 turns of Got Milk? buff from hot powder. Epic catsup from hermit.
View attachment TCRS_Turtle_Tamer_Packrat_cafe_food.txt
View attachment TCRS_Turtle_Tamer_Packrat.txt
View attachment TCRS_Turtle_Tamer_Packrat_cafe_booze.txt
View attachment TCRS_Turtle_Tamer_Packrat_cafe_food.txt
View attachment TCRS_Turtle_Tamer_Packrat.txt
View attachment TCRS_Turtle_Tamer_Packrat_cafe_booze.txt
Boondoggle
Member
It changed, I was posting the enhsncements it acquired in a new 2CRS instance so they can be added.
I was in 2CRS yesterday and It had the normal enhancements (I had not ascended since acquiring it). Then I ascended into 2CRS again and it changed enhancements.