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    For what it's worth, saklad's tone generally makes me not want to do that with their posts.
    Originally Posted by lostcalpolydude View Post
    If I have somehow offended you, please elaborate how so I may avoid doing so in the future.

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    If I have somehow offended you, please elaborate how so I may avoid doing so in the future.
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    Auto-crafting in general is a bit of a mess, in my opinion. It’s really unintuitive to have hard-coded and undocumented behavior like that, and I don’t think anyone really gets much out of it.
    Stuff like that, maybe? It isn't anything specific really. More like it seems like you assume you are the smartest one here, maybe.

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    Stuff like that, maybe? It isn't anything specific really. More like it seems like you assume you are the smartest one here, maybe.
    Originally Posted by lostcalpolydude View Post
    I never intended to give that impression. I am fully aware that most of the contributors are smarter than me, at least in the context of KoLmafia and its code. Iím trying to learn from everyone, not turn them away.

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    If I have somehow offended you, please elaborate how so I may avoid doing so in the future.
    Originally Posted by Saklad5 View Post
    You project an attitude that you know what you are talking and by extension are smarter than everyone else. You fail to make a distinction between two things that are different and between one thing that is better than another. You often make assertions about how you personally think things should work without regard to why they work differently. You often make assertions - this is wrong - under circumstances where asking "is this wrong?" would get a whole different response. Your online persona often has features in common with someone with an awful lot of theoretical knowledge but no understanding of applications. You have have used the word "annoying" in connection with software that maintained as a labor of love and expressed a sense that you are entitled to have things fixed. You have bumped threads and whined because no one cared enough about your request to respond.

    OK. I have blown my steam.

    Backing off, I understand how online personas can project an unintended attitude (as indeed I may later claim this post of mine does). So I will try some hopefully specifics.

    If English is not your first language, please tell us. What comes across as attitude may also be the result of a native German speaker (for example) writing in English.

    Spend some time asking questions and less time making assertions. Consider withholding your solution from your initial post about something.

    Make sure you write in a way that indicates you understand you are asking for something and not in a way that suggests you are entitled to it.
    You just vehemently agreed with me
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    I agree with frono.
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    And sent personal mails chasing your pet projects. I’m probably going to ignore you soon, as the alternative is leaving this community, as I now come to see demands, not requests. Usually ones that demand much more time than they will ever save, and often ones telling me that work I've previously done for this community is rubbish or ill thought out.
    Last edited by Darzil; 04-24-2019 at 08:03 AM.

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    I don't have a horse in this race -- at least not an entire horse -- but in the interest of the community I believe I have a few helpful things to say:

    1) Saklad5, I appreciate your enthusiasm for improving KoLmafia, and the fact that you research your bug reports before making them. Unfortunately for both yourself and the developers, you seem rather oblivious to the way in which your messages are received in the larger context. Imagine I walked into your home of the last decade or so and started criticizing your decor choices, and suggesting a better placement for your lamps:

    "There is no good reason to have these lamps where you have them," I declare after looking around. "Would you like me to move these lamps for you?" I say, to show my willingness to be helpful by doing it myself. "I think we can all agree putting this lamp over there would distribute the light better, right?"

    I suspect you wouldn't take my suggestions very kindly, as those lamps work fine for you where you put them, and by the way also you are the person who built your house in the first place, and who am I to come in here and tell you where to put things? Even if I had multiple degrees in interior design, you'd probably take these unsolicited suggestions personally, and your instinctive reaction would be to tell me in no uncertain terms where I could stuff your lamps, without even considering the merits of moving them. This is how your posts here tend to come across, at least to me. The developers you are hoping to engage with your posts, who built this house we call KoLmafia, quite understandably have difficulty overlooking this context to address the validity of your suggestions. This house was built as a labor of love, and therefore criticisms of the house will be taken personally; it can't be helped. Therefore, it's important to frame them in descriptive way that shows that you care about the same things:

    Good: "KoLmafia does not yet track daily use of item X. Here is a patch that adds tracking for it." (helpful, descriptive rather than prescriptive)
    Bad: "KoLmafia really should track daily use of item X. Does anyone even care about tracking this? Well, it turns out it's not that difficult to do myself so here's a patch." (self-glorifying, accusatory, prescriptive comments are confrontational)

    I do hope this helps. I would like for you to be able to maintain your enthusiasm for improving KoLmafia, but without stepping on so many important toes.

    ii) Darzil (and all the devs), I for one greatly admire and appreciate all the time and effort you have put into making KoLmafia the wonderful tool that it is. It has, in turn, provided me with a fun and meaningful hobby over the last decade or so, and that's something I can't put a value on. Thank you.

    c) I find it helpful when reading Saklad5's posts to imagine them in the voice of a slightly grumpy Winston Churchill addressing a group of lords. It makes the tone issues more forgivable. Try it!
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