Not 3-to_int(group(1) == "both")? (Or are we talking about how many monsters the skill targets, as opposed to number of monsters?)
Feature Add group monster size to proxy info
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Not 3-to_int(group(1) == "both")? (Or are we talking about how many monsters the skill targets, as opposed to number of monsters?)
Theraze
Active member
Possible... not sure. I was thinking the differences was between skills mostly and the verbage they used, as opposed to how many total monsters are possible to be affected... if the swarm of scarab beetles is actually 4 entities or more, then your 3-check isn't accurate either though...
StorellaDeville
Member
Where did you guys find this? I can't find a KoL wiki page for
Area of effect
nor for
Area-of-effect
though. Is there some sort of documentation anywhere, other than in this thread? I'm really curious now. Thanks.
Area of effect
nor for
Area-of-effect
though. Is there some sort of documentation anywhere, other than in this thread? I'm really curious now. Thanks.
Theraze
Active member
Certainly not exhaustive, but the Group Monster category is a decent place to start.
http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Category:Group_Monsters
Summary from looking at game images...
2 monsters:
Family Jewels
Guy with a pitchfork, and his wife
Pygmy assault squad
War Hippy Dread Squad
Zombie waltzers
3 monsters:
Bunch of drunken rats
4 monsters:
Flock of Stab-bats
Swarm of scarab beetles
More than 4 monsters:
Irritating Series of Random Encounters - Says there's 30-40 of them
Swarm of fire ants - Shows 8 ants
http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Category:Group_Monsters
Summary from looking at game images...
2 monsters:
Family Jewels
Guy with a pitchfork, and his wife
Pygmy assault squad
War Hippy Dread Squad
Zombie waltzers
3 monsters:
Bunch of drunken rats
4 monsters:
Flock of Stab-bats
Swarm of scarab beetles
More than 4 monsters:
Irritating Series of Random Encounters - Says there's 30-40 of them
Swarm of fire ants - Shows 8 ants
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vs. the one monster you listed as 3 in quantity:
"You summon a geyser of hot Alfredo Sauce, which erupts beneath three of them, dealing 2415 damage."
So that rules out the possibility of there being special wording for something with 3 max targets hitting three monsters.
Either way, I don't think there's anything yet that affects 4 or more monsters, is there?
Theraze
Active member
Doesn't rule out the possibility that one of the skills might have a trio of monsters or the like. The one thing I've found with KoL is that anytime we try to make hard and fast rules about what the admins will and won't code, they throw us a curveball, potentially just to screw with us and amuse themselves. 
StDoodle
Minion
The one thing I've found with KoL is that anytime we try to make hard and fast rules about what the admins will and won't code, they throw us a curveball, potentially just to screw with us and amuse themselves.
This. Every time I think "well, there can't possibly be any future exception to this particular rule, I end up wrong!
zarqon
Well-known member
I believe the idea of adding this info to proxy records has come up several times, but my search did not reveal an official feature request, so I'm making it here now that we have a fresh slew of new plural monsters.
I don't believe mafia currently knows about plural monsters, or group monsters as the Wiki calls them (arguably a better name).
Thus far, BatBrain has been loading a data file every time it runs, containing the following information, all taken from the Wiki (using the smallest possible number where the Wiki was vague, as in wordings like "two or more"):
The Necbromancer's Horde is also listed as a group monster on the Wiki, but is not known to mafia. Which is fine, as that monster is unlikely to terrorize Loathing again.
A $monster.group or $monster.groupsize proxy record field would make this information more easily accessible, and is becoming more relevant as more such monsters exist.
Out of curiosity, how are these larger numbers spaded? Skills only affect a maximum of 3 and reveal no more than 4, with their "three of them" message.
I don't believe mafia currently knows about plural monsters, or group monsters as the Wiki calls them (arguably a better name).
Thus far, BatBrain has been loading a data file every time it runs, containing the following information, all taken from the Wiki (using the smallest possible number where the Wiki was vague, as in wordings like "two or more"):
- Bee Swarm 3
- Bee Thoven 3
- Beebee Gunners 3
- Beebee Queue 2
- Big Swarm of Ghuol Whelps 3
- Big Wheelin' Twins 2
- Bubblemint Twins 2
- Bunch of Drunken Rats 3
- Clan of Cave Bars 10
- Cloud of Disembodied Whiskers 20
- eXtreme Sports Orcs 2
- Family Jewels 2
- Family of Kobolds 3
- Flock of seagulls 2
- Flock of Stab-Bats 4
- Giant Swarm of Ghuol Whelps 20
- Group of cultists 3
- Guy with a Pitchfork, and his Wife 2
- Irritating Series of Random Encounters 20
- Mad Bugbears 3
- Mismatched Twins 2
- Pygmy Assault Squad 2
- Rag-tag band of survivors 4
- School of Wizardfish 4
- Swarm of Fire Ants 20
- Swarm of fudgewasps 3
- Swarm of Ghuol Whelps 15
- Swarm of Killer Bees 6
- Swarm of Knob Lice 20
- swarm of lowercase As 6
- Swarm of Scarab Beatles 4
- Troll Twins 2
- Twig and Berries 3
- War Hippy Dread Squad 2
- Zombie Waltzers 2
The Necbromancer's Horde is also listed as a group monster on the Wiki, but is not known to mafia. Which is fine, as that monster is unlikely to terrorize Loathing again.
A $monster.group or $monster.groupsize proxy record field would make this information more easily accessible, and is becoming more relevant as more such monsters exist.
Out of curiosity, how are these larger numbers spaded? Skills only affect a maximum of 3 and reveal no more than 4, with their "three of them" message.
zeroToNine
Member
When you are in a Zombie Slayer path and have both bear arms equipped, you can "bear hug" those monsters. This gives you the exact number, as they all join your horde as Zombies.
