wrldwzrd89
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For LT&T telegrams the relevant quest must also be in progress.
CanAdv -- check whether you can adventure at a given location
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Erich
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All locations are unlocked and available upon starting batmode. Defeating a boss locks the boss' zone.
Erich
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I was slightly wrong about all zones being unlocked immediately, so let me see if I can do a breakdown of the adventuring zones as per how the game handles it.
The 3 crime areas have 4 adventuring zones each, and Downtown has 1 adventuring zone (JokesterCo HQ). The crime area zones are all immediately unlocked and available, the Jokester zone is locked until the very end.
In each crime area, 3 of the 4 zones have bosses. The one without the boss is unlocked and available at all times. The boss zones have a progress level in the charpane that tell you how far you are in the zone, that works like this:
<100%: the zone is fully available
100%: only the boss is available, the rest of the zone is locked
Boss defeated: the zone is fully locked
When the 9 bosses are defeated, the Jokester zone becomes available. When the Jokester is defeated, batmode is shut down, so that ends it.
The 3 crime areas have 4 adventuring zones each, and Downtown has 1 adventuring zone (JokesterCo HQ). The crime area zones are all immediately unlocked and available, the Jokester zone is locked until the very end.
In each crime area, 3 of the 4 zones have bosses. The one without the boss is unlocked and available at all times. The boss zones have a progress level in the charpane that tell you how far you are in the zone, that works like this:
<100%: the zone is fully available
100%: only the boss is available, the rest of the zone is locked
Boss defeated: the zone is fully locked
When the 9 bosses are defeated, the Jokester zone becomes available. When the Jokester is defeated, batmode is shut down, so that ends it.
wrldwzrd89
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Not sure what it is in KoLmafia.
Trying to be a good person here:
Note: This seems to be the result of running Factroid.
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Unknown location: Gotpork Gardens Cemetery (zone: Center Park (Low Crime))
Please report this missing location here: http://kolmafia.us/showthread.php?t=2027
Unknown location: Gotpork Municipal Reservoir (zone: Center Park (Low Crime))
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Unknown location: Gotpork Conservatory of Flowers (zone: Center Park (Low Crime))
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Unknown location: JokesterCo (zone: Downtown)
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Unknown location: Trivial Pursuits, LLC (zone: Industrial District (High Crime))
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Unknown location: Gotpork Foundry (zone: Industrial District (High Crime))
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Unknown location: Gotpork Clock, Inc. (zone: Industrial District (High Crime))
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Unknown location: Warehouse Row (zone: Industrial District (High Crime))
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Unknown location: The Old Gotpork Library (zone: Slums (Moderate Crime))
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Unknown location: Porkham Asylum (zone: Slums (Moderate Crime))
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Unknown location: Gotpork City Sewers (zone: Slums (Moderate Crime))
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Unknown location: The Mean Streets (zone: Slums (Moderate Crime))
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Unknown location: Investigating a Plaintive Telegram (zone: Town)
Please report this missing location here: http://kolmafia.us/showthread.php?t=2027Note: This seems to be the result of running Factroid.
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Theraze
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I'd thought something had been added, but I don't see that in the wiki nor anything regarding how it works for tracking. So let's try to work through it.
We can get into the game when limitmode=batman. When any limitmode is set, we can't get into zones that aren't based on the specific limitzone.
There's a value named batmanZone that sets which zones are available and not. This is one of 6 options, listed in Veracity's post in 531.
If batmanZone is set to Gotpork City or Bat-Cavern, are other options actually available - can you travel from either one to anywhere else, or are you fixed there until some external choice happens?
If batmanZone says that a region is available - say, the Slums - are all locations in that region always available to you or do some lock/unlock based on other actions which may or may not be tracked?
We can get into the game when limitmode=batman. When any limitmode is set, we can't get into zones that aren't based on the specific limitzone.
There's a value named batmanZone that sets which zones are available and not. This is one of 6 options, listed in Veracity's post in 531.
If batmanZone is set to Gotpork City or Bat-Cavern, are other options actually available - can you travel from either one to anywhere else, or are you fixed there until some external choice happens?
If batmanZone says that a region is available - say, the Slums - are all locations in that region always available to you or do some lock/unlock based on other actions which may or may not be tracked?
It takes time to travel to a zone. That's the equivalent of spending adventures when not in the game. You do it by entering the Bat-Sedan and executing a choice adventure. I don't think CanAdv should move between zones, although, to be honest, I'm not sure who would use CanAdv to automate Batfellow. To efficiently automate Batfellow, you'll need a reasonably smart program which will track progress through each area, fight bosses, look at stuff which drops which can be used in the Bat-Cavern or Downtown, and so on. That program will know what zone it is in and how to go to other zones and will know when it wants to do so. We don't support all of that, yet - tracking progress towards the bosses, for example - although its all on my (eventual) to-do list.
But, if you want to make CanAdv at least accurate for the Batfellow zones: you can travel in any of the 4 areas of Center Park if your Bat-Zone is Center Park, any of the 4 areas of the Slums if your Bat-Zone is the Slums, any of the 4 zones in the Industrial District if your zone is the Industrial District, and in JokesterCo if your zone is Downtown AND you have unlocked it (which is not tracked by KoLmafia yet).
But, if you want to make CanAdv at least accurate for the Batfellow zones: you can travel in any of the 4 areas of Center Park if your Bat-Zone is Center Park, any of the 4 areas of the Slums if your Bat-Zone is the Slums, any of the 4 zones in the Industrial District if your zone is the Industrial District, and in JokesterCo if your zone is Downtown AND you have unlocked it (which is not tracked by KoLmafia yet).
Theraze
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So, automation/tracking we can do. This is fully accurate based on my understanding of what you're saying.
1) Zones are only available if you're in batman.
2) All Central Park zones are always available when in Central Park.
3) All Slum zones are always available when in Slums.
4) All Industrial District zones are always available when in industrial.
5) Downtown only has one zone which is not currently tracked for being unlocked, so we'll skip that for now
6) There are no zones that can be transitioned between. If your batman zone is set to anything except for Slums, you can't go to the Slums, regardless of how. There is no junction zone available to allow later decisions.
Is that correct, or are we needing boss tracking per Erich's post in 525 which, as noted in post 527, was what we were needing to track location availability?
1) Zones are only available if you're in batman.
2) All Central Park zones are always available when in Central Park.
3) All Slum zones are always available when in Slums.
4) All Industrial District zones are always available when in industrial.
5) Downtown only has one zone which is not currently tracked for being unlocked, so we'll skip that for now
6) There are no zones that can be transitioned between. If your batman zone is set to anything except for Slums, you can't go to the Slums, regardless of how. There is no junction zone available to allow later decisions.
Is that correct, or are we needing boss tracking per Erich's post in 525 which, as noted in post 527, was what we were needing to track location availability?
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Theraze
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Okay, I'll wait on that then. I can put in the basic limitmode testing which will hide the issue for people not running CanAdv while in BatMan, but we'll wait on accurate tracking until we can do it properly.
Sorry if I'm brusque today. Not trying to be. Frustrated that my phone decided yesterday evening that it really wanted to stop booting until it got a factory reset.
Sorry if I'm brusque today. Not trying to be. Frustrated that my phone decided yesterday evening that it really wanted to stop booting until it got a factory reset.
Theraze
Active member
Per the wiki, the batman limitmode doesn't exist. Per xKiv, the batman limitmode is all lowercase. So we do that like he said.
BatMan locations will detect as un-adventurable while not in BatMan. They'll pop warnings while in BatMan, but nobody really has a good reason to run CanAdv there anyways, so we'll worry about that when someone posts it, if mafia has some no-extra-server-hit way to track boss defeat.
That leaves only the LT&T location remaining as fully unknown, as that's apparently unlocked by being on some quest or another as per post 521, which remains a mystery. If people want that tracked, let me know what to track to make it accurate and we'll do it.
BatMan locations will detect as un-adventurable while not in BatMan. They'll pop warnings while in BatMan, but nobody really has a good reason to run CanAdv there anyways, so we'll worry about that when someone posts it, if mafia has some no-extra-server-hit way to track boss defeat.
That leaves only the LT&T location remaining as fully unknown, as that's apparently unlocked by being on some quest or another as per post 521, which remains a mystery. If people want that tracked, let me know what to track to make it accurate and we'll do it.
So, according to the coders of Batman_RE (and subsequently, SeRa, the Semi Rare helper):
SeRa consistently suggests adventuring in zones in Hobopolis, when I have not yet gone through the Maze of Sewer Tunnels, zarqon says that it's the fault of CanAdv.
So, I thought I'd do my due diligence and report it.
I'm a coding newbie, so I have no idea how to test this.
Sorry to be a bother.
SeRa consistently suggests adventuring in zones in Hobopolis, when I have not yet gone through the Maze of Sewer Tunnels, zarqon says that it's the fault of CanAdv.
So, I thought I'd do my due diligence and report it.
I'm a coding newbie, so I have no idea how to test this.
Sorry to be a bother.
wrldwzrd89
Member
For Hobopolis: Town Square opens once the Maze of Sewer Tunnels is cleared. The various side areas open in the following order: Burnbarrel @ 500 normal hobos killed; Esplanade @ 1000, Heap @ 1500, Graveyard @ 2000 and finally The Purple Light District @ 2500. Each zone closes to normal adventuring once it's quota of monsters is cleared; 5000 for TS and 500 for the other areas. Each zone closes fully after its boss is defeated. Finally, if Hodgman is defeated, regardless of the other bosses being alive or dead, all zones close.