Feature - Implemented Cooking and Mixing changes effective immeadiately
- Thread starter Fluxxdog
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Rinn
Developer
Cooking changes
I'm gonna make a bug report to head this off before people start coming in here saying everything is broken.
Jick is overhauling cooking/mixing, he's outlining the changes here as he finishes them http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/showpost.php?p=3760907&postcount=1
It would probably be best to wait until the majority of his changes are done, but for the time being cooking through mafia is going to be busted in a lot of cases. One I already encounter was that since the in-a-boxes moved to a different page mafia will unsuccessfully try to repair in-a-boxes even if you already have one, and the creation will fail.
I don't know the last time there was a major revision release but this will most likely require one because a lot of people are going to have issues.
I'm gonna make a bug report to head this off before people start coming in here saying everything is broken.
Jick is overhauling cooking/mixing, he's outlining the changes here as he finishes them http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/showpost.php?p=3760907&postcount=1
It would probably be best to wait until the majority of his changes are done, but for the time being cooking through mafia is going to be busted in a lot of cases. One I already encounter was that since the in-a-boxes moved to a different page mafia will unsuccessfully try to repair in-a-boxes even if you already have one, and the creation will fail.
I don't know the last time there was a major revision release but this will most likely require one because a lot of people are going to have issues.
Theraze
Active member
Biggest gotcha I've found is that apparently KoLmafia checks to see if the (crafting) items are in inventory, while KoL itself checks if they're in your campground. Currently, to craft items through KoLmafia, you have to have one installed in your campground and one in inventory, else it throws missing crafting item errors.
Winterbay
Active member
So...
1) If you require in-a-boxes Mafia can no longer craft anythign for you because it cannot recognize that you have them. Disabling that preference makes that problem go away.
2) The recipies for the in-a-boxes do no longer require ovens nor kits.
3) The [roll sushi] link does not work unless you first install the sushi mat at yoru campground
4) You need to install a fancy oven/kit in order to make anything that contains a fancy ingredient, just having the respective in-a-box does not help.
Possibly all for now...
1) If you require in-a-boxes Mafia can no longer craft anythign for you because it cannot recognize that you have them. Disabling that preference makes that problem go away.
2) The recipies for the in-a-boxes do no longer require ovens nor kits.
3) The [roll sushi] link does not work unless you first install the sushi mat at yoru campground
4) You need to install a fancy oven/kit in order to make anything that contains a fancy ingredient, just having the respective in-a-box does not help.
Possibly all for now...
Fluxxdog
Active member
Yeah. Big drag. And you should have seen the number of HCs griping because they invested that 1000 meat for the -in-a-box and now they have to spend ANOTHER 1000.
... Honestly never had that problem in HC. <hugs stocking mimic>
It seems the plan is for -skull-in-a-box is to be the new recipe for the -in-a-box. So making -in-a-boxes will be cheaper
Go check the thread for a whole lot of w/p/m about that as it gets destroyed on ascension.
Oh no, no where near all. Adventure yields for some food and booze items have changed, as well as the effects of Ode to Booze and Milk of Magnesium. The additional adventures are a 1-1-1 ratio. One turn of the effect is spent for each fullness/drunkeness and grants 1 adventure. In other words, a 4 drunkeness items will take 4 turns of Ode and grant 4 extra adventures.4) You need to install a fancy oven/kit in order to make anything that contains a fancy ingredient, just having the respective in-a-box does not help.
Possibly all for now...
Adventure ranges have changed for 1 fullness/drunkness items. It's either 1 or 2 adventures, not both.
Some items have a bit odder requirements for cooking. Simple cooking requires the 50 meat oven and doesn't cost adventures anymore, "fancy" dishes require the 1000 meat oven and cost turns when using fancy ingredients. -in-a-boxes will nullify the turn cost.
In essence, this is going to require a big overhaul of the data files for food and booze. Each ingredient is either fancy or not. If one is, it requires the expensive maker and will take turns. It's just an issue of spading everything, but that's gonna take time.
Winterbay
Active member
Yeah, people came in complaining when I was in as well. Even though they were mostly confused about how to get mafia to work with the change then. I generally have meat trouble but not that much trouble (and in the cases I do have I think non-fancy things are probably just as fine)
Chef's hat + Brainy skull = chef-in-the-box (and a new discovery) so I'd say that is already implemented.
Ahh yes, the woes of people having to spend in-game currency to redo something. I have had my mat for quite a while, so even though i do admit that it is a bit lame that it goes away it won't bother me that much.
Well, "all" as in "all I care about since the absolute numbers have never been my main interest"
Fluxxdog
Active member
I get that, but I'm one of those who likes looking at the insides of his toys. Not gonna change my diet, namely the 800 sleazy hi mien my g/f made for me.Well, "all" as in "all I care about since the absolute numbers have never been my main interest"
And yes, that's innuendo.
xKiv
Active member
Fancyness is listed in the item description, so you could probably even automate that.
Foods/beverages and booze now list quality category in description, which could probably be automatically used to narrow exact quality ranges (crappy seems to me to be 1 or less adv/full, decent in the 1-2 range (except 1), good in the 2-3 range (except 2), awesome in the 3-4 range (except 3) and epic better than 4; with all ranges now converted to integers, so a size 1 consummable's quality is now almost certainly completely defined by its category: crappy=1 (or 0) adv, decent=2 adv, good=3 adv, awesome=4 adv, epic=5 or more)
Also, if any ode/milk turns are left after eating/drinking, the turns lost are a 100% certain indicator of consummable size, which can be used to double-check the item database and possibly generate overrides.
Foods/beverages and booze now list quality category in description, which could probably be automatically used to narrow exact quality ranges (crappy seems to me to be 1 or less adv/full, decent in the 1-2 range (except 1), good in the 2-3 range (except 2), awesome in the 3-4 range (except 3) and epic better than 4; with all ranges now converted to integers, so a size 1 consummable's quality is now almost certainly completely defined by its category: crappy=1 (or 0) adv, decent=2 adv, good=3 adv, awesome=4 adv, epic=5 or more)
Also, if any ode/milk turns are left after eating/drinking, the turns lost are a 100% certain indicator of consummable size, which can be used to double-check the item database and possibly generate overrides.
Winterbay
Active member
I get that, but I'm one of those who likes looking at the insides of his toys. Not gonna change my diet, namely the 800 sleazy hi mien my g/f made for me.
And yes, that's innuendo.
I'm guessing that's pronounced "hymen" then...
Also, not saying that numbers are uninteresting, but I generally just eat whatever I can make from what I have (which after 4+ years is way too much btw).
Winterbay
Active member
There are some exceptions, such as "Schrödingers Thermos" which is listed as EPIC even though it might just as well be crappy...
xKiv
Active member
I think the thermos actually comes up in the 4+ range on average (per drunkness). You get all those gargle blasters, mafia wines, ralph cognacs, corpse drinks, ... to counteract imp ales, willers, accidental ciders, ...
The really high quality stuff tends to also be large size stuff, so it's quality is reflected "disproportionately" in the average thermos quality.
But I didn't actually compute anything.
The really high quality stuff tends to also be large size stuff, so it's quality is reflected "disproportionately" in the average thermos quality.
But I didn't actually compute anything.
anOtherGrendel
New member
Some additional info:
Milk of Magnesium is now stackable. Which is useful when eating more fullness than a single potion provides.
Milk of Magnesium is now stackable. Which is useful when eating more fullness than a single potion provides.
How is that different than before?