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    Philosophy Question.

    I understand the importance of semi-rares in run, especially HC. But out of run is it not true that a SR is just an economic decision? If I need it, I can buy it, right? So if I eat a fortune cookie to ensure I can get a SR, isn't that the same as saying the profit from a fortune cookie is the mall price of the most expensive SR? If so then it is theoretically possible that reserving space for a fortune cookie (or eating one) is less profitable than using the space for something else?

    I understand vcon is focused on aftercore but I am pondering how/if/when it replaces or supplements EatDrink for me.

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    Yes, farming semirares in after core is an economic decision.

    A fortune cookie is size 1 and provides one adventure. Eat it with milk, you get 2 adventures. (And zarqon's irritation at using milk to eat a single item notwithstanding, if your MPA (or VOA) is more than the cost of milk, it is profitable to do so to gain a single adventure.)

    So, if you eat a fortune cookie and get 1 (or 2) adventures from it, in order to get semirare numbers rather than eating a better size 1 food and getting 6 (or 7) adventures, the opportunity cost of farming the semirare rather than just buying it is 5 adventures from eating the low quality food plus at least one adventure collecting the semirare - and you are not guaranteed to get a single definitive number from the fortune cookie.

    If you can sell a semirare for more than 6 times your MPA, then sure, collect them. Otherwise, just buy them if you want.

    Lucky Lindy is a better choice, probably, but even so, I'm not interested in semirare farming with my characters.

    YMMV.

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    Heh, my being irked by the milk was due to 1) losing out on the semirare I'd taken some pains to provide for, and b) ending up using two milks for breakfast, which is not so profitable as using just one.

    Anyway, if you're not interested in semirare farming I understand. Fortune cookies are almost certainly less profitable than just meat farming, but Lucky Lindies may or may not be more profitable. For me, my MPA with VMF hovers around 3400, so taking a 3-turn loss on the drink and then spending a turn farming a 16-18k semirare is still profitable. I'll figure out how to handle it on my end -- and using your spiffing library, to boot, for which I hope I don't sound ungrateful.
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    You can get 3 speakeasy drinks a day and Lucky Lindys always give you a precise burp, rather than crappy-quality fortune cookies giving you up to 3 possible numbers. I'll think about putting semirare farming via Lucky Lindy into VMF. That's part of the consumption strategy, and therefore belongs there, rather than in vcon. Considering you'll be able to get from one to three semirares per day, it would involve reserving some liver space to accommodate later Lucky Lindys.

    If I do that, who knows: perhaps you'll not need to do your consumption before running VMF.

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    That would be splendid!

    By the way, I noted the new mall_prices() functions you added recently and have been enjoying how they speed things up.
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    Note the new commit where, if we bulk-update 1000 items of mall prices via mall_prices(), it writes mallprices.txt once, rather than 1000 times.

    That is a huge speedup. It reduces the user-perceived runtime by 10s of seconds.

    I also direct you to the update I made to VeracityMeatFarm.ash, described over in its own thread, where I add semirare processing via Lucky Lindy.

    Things I could do:

    - do it with fortune cookies (not too hard)
    - suit up appropriately for The Sea, The 8-bit Realm, etc. (easy)
    - full "can adventure" type stuff for semirare locations. (annoying, medium hardness)
    - full support for "which choice to take for semirares" (annoying, not necessary, since you can specify that in KoLmafia GUI)

    What I have now is sufficient for my own use cases - although I might consider fortune cookies for my multis who don't have a VIP lounge key or a clan with a speakeasy.

    Let me know which things are critical for your use cases.

    Over in the VMF thread, please. Thanks.

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    Interesting. vcon says that "bowl of maggots" is the most cost-effective 2-full food.
    Indeed it is - since the one and only store in the mall who has it for sale prices it at 100 Meat.
    The catch is that there is a limit of 1 on it, and, even though mall_price returns the price of the 5th cheapest item, you literally cannot buy 5 of it.

    I have to think about this.

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