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    Default "You're on your own, partner." From both cheese and bumcheeks scripts, need help?

    New player here trying to get an automated HC (standard) script.

    My itom list:

    Source terminal
    Genie
    Pocket meteor guide
    Kremlins briefcase
    Trick or treat orphan
    protonic accelerator pack
    Asdon martin

    Scrips I used - bumcheekcend from kol mafia's inbuilt script manager finder. And cheesecookies hardcore ed script, which sub optimally still completes HC runs (afaik)

    My problem - I tried both of these scripts mid HC standard run, around level 10 (or was it 11 unsure). I had no other scripts enabled or running.

    They seemed to both run "checks" of sorts, to determine where I am up to, then start a fight in the palindrome. They both seem to stop at combat, and stop running the script. So for both scrips, I didnt advance any in the game, just seemed to check my level, council quests and attempt to continue forward, then abruptly stop.

    I dont really know much, still learning.. so, I guess here are my questions.

    Do these scripts only work well if you do it from start, not mid run?

    And any ideas what I did wrong.. or how to fix when the script just kind of stops.

    And lastly, most importantly.. whats the best script for a HC standard run, that can run with my iotm list? Or rather, a script that doesnt break when I DONT have chateau or some other thing thats almost out of standard

    I'm currently at Day 7. 1264 turns played, and have 10 turns left of the war, temple / pyramid is done though, have keys etc.. but my god, thats a LOT of turns and days with all my access to iotm seems to be really really bad. Would love some advice.

    I don't have any logs on me at the moment and am out of adventures, unsure how necessary the CLI logs are though

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    I can not speak for bumcheekascend but for cc_ascend, if you left a quest partially complete, you may have a problem.

    But that's not actually your problem (yet, if ever), both scripts are stopping in combat. Resolve the combat and try to run one again. For whatever reason, neither one was able to complete your combat, this might be a transient issue (terrible luck, low on MP, bonerdagon) or a more systemic one (can't actually win the combats with your setup). The log of events before the combat and the combat itself are typically helpful (as well as ending stats: hp/mp).

    You can find other scripts in this forum. But typically, you would report issues regarding one script and they would be handled such that they can workaround the missing IotMs or whatever. If a script is literally crashing because you don't have something, report that (I see nothing of that in this post). Some scripts may be absolute about what you must have but others just don't realize that not everyone has a solid gold ferrari.

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    I can not speak for bumcheekascend but for cc_ascend, if you left a quest partially complete, you may have a problem.

    But that's not actually your problem (yet, if ever), both scripts are stopping in combat. Resolve the combat and try to run one again. For whatever reason, neither one was able to complete your combat, this might be a transient issue (terrible luck, low on MP, bonerdagon) or a more systemic one (can't actually win the combats with your setup). The log of events before the combat and the combat itself are typically helpful (as well as ending stats: hp/mp).

    You can find other scripts in this forum. But typically, you would report issues regarding one script and they would be handled such that they can workaround the missing IotMs or whatever. If a script is literally crashing because you don't have something, report that (I see nothing of that in this post). Some scripts may be absolute about what you must have but others just don't realize that not everyone has a solid gold ferrari.
    Originally Posted by cheesecookie View Post
    Thanks for the reply cheesecookie, and firstly I appreciate the time you and others spend scripting and helping others, it goes above any beyond

    Next time I'll log the CLI responses, hope to be doing a few automated HC runs soon. Im sure its just a learning curve

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    I can not speak for bumcheekascend but for cc_ascend, if you left a quest partially complete, you may have a problem.

    But that's not actually your problem (yet, if ever), both scripts are stopping in combat. Resolve the combat and try to run one again. For whatever reason, neither one was able to complete your combat, this might be a transient issue (terrible luck, low on MP, bonerdagon) or a more systemic one (can't actually win the combats with your setup). The log of events before the combat and the combat itself are typically helpful (as well as ending stats: hp/mp).

    You can find other scripts in this forum. But typically, you would report issues regarding one script and they would be handled such that they can workaround the missing IotMs or whatever. If a script is literally crashing because you don't have something, report that (I see nothing of that in this post). Some scripts may be absolute about what you must have but others just don't realize that not everyone has a solid gold ferrari.
    Originally Posted by cheesecookie View Post

    Okay so, Im really enjoying the script, its working now since a new ascension

    One thing that is bugging me though is the equipment changer. It keeps putting on a pirate outfit, when Im not even questing there. I had to sell a whole bunch of other stuff I didnt need as a pastamancer, like crown of the goblin king, because it forced me to equip that too instead of my awesome +15% mysticality meteortarboard for example..

    Is there a way to keep my equipment I want on, aside from of course hippy/frat/pirate outfits when I need them only? I cant even imagine wht other gear was changed though, as I said the crown, not to mention a whole heap of other garbage I had to auto sell because the script preferred that gear over some of my nice stuff.

    Thanks for any input

    *Edit here is a log of the script changing my gear, then questing in a boo peak. I had to enable auto attack too because with my gear, I should be able to blast most creatures, and the script was entangling / using meteor skills and other strange things

    You have an auto attack enabled. This may cause issues. We will try anyway.
    Countdown: 10 seconds...
    Countdown: 5 seconds...
    Countdown: 4 seconds...
    Countdown: 3 seconds...
    Countdown: 2 seconds...
    Countdown: 1 second...
    Waiting completed.
    Hello Disarm, time to explode!
    This is version: 1234 Mafia: 18215
    This is day 3.
    Turns played: 480 current adventures: 50
    Current Ascension: Standard
    CCS set to null
    Putting on pirate fledges...
    Equipment changed.
    Turn(480): Starting with 50 left at Level: 9
    Encounter: -10.0 Exp Bonus: 5.508333333333334
    Meat Drop: 0.0 Item Drop: 185.0
    HP: 205/221, MP: 223/233
    Tummy: 15/15 Liver: 12/14 Spleen: 0/15
    ML: 10 control: 10
    Delay between adventures... beep boop...
    Countdown: 1 second...
    Waiting completed.
    A-Boo Peak: 92

    Pre Adventure at A-Boo Peak done, beep.

    Visit to Highlands: A-Boo Peak in progress...

    [481] A-Boo Peak
    Encounter: Space Tourist Explorer Ghost
    Last edited by Disarm; 09-23-2017 at 04:42 AM.

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    A couple comments.

    You might try closeting stuff and making sure KoLmafia is set to NOT pull from the closet.

    I think there are a couple of settings in BCCA that control how and when the maximizer is used to equip. Finding them and changing them might help.

    The meteor stuff is new enough that the script and/or KoLmafia might not yet support every feature.

    Generally BCCA and other ascension scripts are best for karma farming - 2 to 5 day runs with a minimum of user input. The fact that you are trying to micromanage what outfits are being used suggests to me that you have some other expectations of the scripts and you may have to not use them or learn to modify them yourself in order to get the results you want.
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    Thanks for the reply fronobulax.

    Believe me, i don't want to be micro managing the gear. But the difference is immense. I have a bunch of iotm and don't want to die due to the script equipping me with garbage and losing adventures on easy fights etc...

    I don't know how to change the settings. That's the main problem. I have the same expectations as anyone using an ascension imo...

    I'll try closet my stuff. It's really difficult to watch the script make such poor gear and combat choices.

    It quests well enough, although isn't using clovers or digitize or genie wishes. I wish it did these things, save me a day easily.. after day 3 I have 12 clovers and 6 genie wishes, had to make some use of them myself there no biggie but not what I want to do if the script could automate that

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    Thanks for the reply fronobulax.

    Believe me, i don't want to be micro managing the gear. But the difference is immense. I have a bunch of iotm and don't want to die due to the script equipping me with garbage and losing adventures on easy fights etc...

    I don't know how to change the settings. That's the main problem. I have the same expectations as anyone using an ascension imo...

    I'll try closet my stuff. It's really difficult to watch the script make such poor gear and combat choices.

    It quests well enough, although isn't using clovers or digitize or genie wishes. I wish it did these things, save me a day easily.. after day 3 I have 12 clovers and 6 genie wishes, had to make some use of them myself there no biggie but not what I want to do if the script could automate that
    Originally Posted by Disarm View Post
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    How are you managing combat? Losing easy fights could be your CCS or lack thereof or where you have your restoration settings. When I was running with an unskilled character with no IOTM support, I had to restore at 75% HP, up to 99% before I stopped losing easy fights. For the most part, people are not losing easy fights so there is probably some setting whose importance has been overlooked.

    I change settings by using a text editor on the settings file. You can also do it at the CLI, something like set settingName=settingValue, But I never get that right so you should check the KoLmafi wiki or wait for someone to correct me. For that matter you might want to look at the wiki anyway. Lots of things that script writers assume script users know are mentioned in various places there. And people with kolmafia.us accounts can edit the wiki so don't tell us how useless it is, just fix it :-) Zarqon's new script PrefRefPlus gives you editing capability in the relay browser.

    With a few edge case exceptions WHAM makes very good combat choices and the Maximizer makes good equipment choices. Your experience suggests your configuration is not taking advantage of that.

    There is a BCCA setting that will use some clovers although it still misses some opportunities. I don't recall BCCA explicitly supporting digitize or genie wishes. Perhaps you should try running with WHAM and whatever BestBetweenBattleScript is now called or perhaps you should lower your expectations for a script that was "optimized" a couple of years before those items came out.
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    Thanks for the reply fronobulax.

    Believe me, i don't want to be micro managing the gear. But the difference is immense. I have a bunch of iotm and don't want to die due to the script equipping me with garbage and losing adventures on easy fights etc...

    I don't know how to change the settings. That's the main problem. I have the same expectations as anyone using an ascension imo...

    I'll try closet my stuff. It's really difficult to watch the script make such poor gear and combat choices.

    It quests well enough, although isn't using clovers or digitize or genie wishes. I wish it did these things, save me a day easily.. after day 3 I have 12 clovers and 6 genie wishes, had to make some use of them myself there no biggie but not what I want to do if the script could automate that
    Originally Posted by Disarm View Post
    Are you actually dying in combat? Because, even if you think the choices are suboptimal, and even if they are suboptimal, if you are still progressing, it doesn't matter.

    I assume no script expects you have that many clovers since you won't continue to be getting the extra clovers after some more ascensions.

    Why do people insist on watching and complaining about automation if it isn't failing? Being a backseat driver might mean you should take the wheel for yourself.

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    Are you actually dying in combat? Because, even if you think the choices are suboptimal, and even if they are suboptimal, if you are still progressing, it doesn't matter.

    I assume no script expects you have that many clovers since you won't continue to be getting the extra clovers after some more ascensions.

    Why do people insist on watching and complaining about automation if it isn't failing? Being a backseat driver might mean you should take the wheel for yourself.
    Originally Posted by cheesecookie View Post

    Dude I dont know what is wrong with the tone of my post, but you seem to be quite condescending towards me? I wanted to post yesterday for clarification, but this forum was down. A guy in game suggested to PM you, and I know why I didn't, I had a feeling it'd be like this..

    Look, the script was unuseable for me yesterday. I am new to scripting, new to kol, sure. But Im not stupid. I want to learn, right? I appreciate the script works, and Im experiencing problems, why not seek clarification? My otheer options would be to just stop using it, right? I cant learn to tweak it myself, so Im asking for help here

    For example, once again with updated script to be sure, I'm now experiencing as a pastamancer casting utensil twist until I die. Its unuseable for me. The clover stuff, digitizing, fine, Ill do it myself. But Im now at a point where the script is unuseable completely due to very poor combat choices, and yeah Im gonna post here for help.. hopefully...

    Hello Disarm, time to explode!
    This is version: 1234 Mafia: 18215
    This is day 5.
    Turns played: 738 current adventures: 65
    Current Ascension: Standard
    CCS set to null
    Found completed Highland Lord (9)
    Found completed Castle in the Clouds in the Sky with some Pie (10)
    Found an unexpected Black Market (11 - via questL11Black)
    Found completed Black Market (11 - via questL11Black)
    Found started McMuffin quest (11)
    Putting on fuzzy earmuffs...
    Equipment changed.
    Wielding pasta spoon...
    Equipment changed.
    Putting on protonic accelerator pack...
    Equipment changed.
    Taking off pirate fledges...
    Equipment changed.
    Putting on pirate fledges...
    Equipment changed.
    Putting on glowing red eye...
    Equipment changed.
    We did not initialize the briefcase this ascension, we can not care
    Crank power!!
    You acquire exploding cigar (3)
    You acquire exploding cigar (3)
    You acquire an item: golden gun
    You acquire golden gum (3)
    You acquire an item: tiny plastic golden gundam
    You acquire an item: splendid martini
    You acquire an item: splendid martini
    You acquire an item: splendid martini
    Visiting Mr. Klaw "Skill" Crane Game in clan rumpus room
    Visiting Mr. Klaw "Skill" Crane Game in clan rumpus room
    Visiting Mr. Klaw "Skill" Crane Game in clan rumpus room
    Turn(738): Starting with 65 left at Level: 11
    Encounter: 0.0 Exp Bonus: 26.297083333333337
    Meat Drop: 0.0 Item Drop: 35.0
    HP: 94/115, MP: 144/262
    Tummy: 0/15 Liver: 0/14 Spleen: 0/15
    ML: 10 control: 10
    Delay between adventures... beep boop...
    Countdown: 1 second...
    Waiting completed.
    You acquire an item: Mark I Steam-Hat
    Mark Steam-Hat upgraded!

    Converting giant heirloom grape tomato into Fuel
    Compressed 1 giant heirloom grape tomato into sheep, I mean fuel: 1 --> 16

    Converting 6 stolen pieces of sushi into Fuel
    Compressed 6 stolen sushi into sheep, I mean fuel: 16 --> 91
    Updating inventory...
    Purchasing snorkel (1 @ 30)...
    You spent 30 Meat
    You acquire an item: snorkel
    Purchases complete.
    Putting on snorkel...
    Equipment changed.
    Using 1 Dolphin King's map...
    You gain 150 Meat
    You acquire an item: Dolphin King's crown
    Finished using 1 Dolphin King's map.
    Putting on fuzzy earmuffs...
    Equipment changed.

    Visiting a Science Tent
    Encounter: Dr. Gordon Stuart, a Scientist
    nextAdventure => Noob Cave
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    Pre Adventure at Noob Cave done, beep.
    About to start a combat indirectly at Noob Cave... (2) accesses required.

    Visiting a Science Tent
    Encounter: Dr. Gordon Stuart, a Scientist

    [739] Dr. Gordon Stuart's Science Tent
    Encounter: Eldritch Tentacle
    Round 0: Disarm wins initiative!
    Round 1: As your opponent moves to attack you, Shooooooshiiiiii whispers the exact date and time of its death. It looks at his watch, and doesn't like what it sees.
    ccAdvBypass has encountered a combat! (param: '')

    [739] Noob Cave
    Encounter: Eldritch Tentacle
    Round 0: Disarm loses initiative!
    cc_combatHandler: 0
    Round 1: Disarm casts UTENSIL TWIST!
    Round 2: Eldritch Tentacle takes 10 damage.
    Round 2: You lose 19 hit points
    Round 2: Disarm casts UTENSIL TWIST!
    Round 3: Eldritch Tentacle takes 9 damage.
    Round 3: You lose 16 hit points
    Round 3: Disarm casts UTENSIL TWIST!
    Round 4: Eldritch Tentacle takes 9 damage.
    Round 4: You lose 16 hit points
    Round 4: Disarm casts UTENSIL TWIST!
    Round 5: Eldritch Tentacle takes 9 damage.
    Round 5: You lose 18 hit points
    Round 5: Disarm casts ENTANGLING NOODLES!
    KoLmafia declares world peace.
    Round 6: You lose 17 hit points
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    Dude,

    A trick I use that has reduced the number of times people think I have an attitude when I post online, is to include a statement or two that clearly indicates I have read the previous replies and tried what was suggested or ask clarifying questions. When I don't do that people think I am a whiner because my posts can pretty much be summarized as "It Doesn't Work!" and "It Still Doesn't Work But I Won't Tell You What I Have Tried To Make It Work".

    While we are talking "attitude" keep in mind that KoLmafia is free and maintained by volunteers who receive no compensation. So any comment that implies a person is entitled to an answer or a fix will eventually piss off the very people who can address the issue. You, so far, have avoided that, but remember that most script authors are also working for free.

    So, if you are actually reading responses and trying them, some feedback (besides regurgitating the session log) would be helpful.

    It probably doesn't help you that you are trying to use two different scripts and it is not clear which one you are using at any given moment. That matters because the sources of your problems and solutions may be different.

    That said, you seem to me to have two general complaints. One is that neither script uses ITOM and other equipment as optimally as you would like. There is no general solution to that. Some of the IOTMs you cite are not directly supported by the scripts. Some of the equipment choices you seem to want made differently are due to a difference of opinion over what is "optimal" in a particular case. The "solution" to these problems almost certainly will require KoLmafia support and/or changes by the script author and/or learning how to make the changes yourself.

    The second complaint is that you are losing fights. There are several possibilities here and there are script or KoLmafia settings you can tweak. I'm going to repeat myself but please understand that my patience will be better preserved if you answer my questions before you "It Still Doesn't Work" again.

    What are you doing for HP restore? Are you using the KoLmafia settings or Universal Recovery? What are the thresholds for HP restoration? Are there "restore" items/methods checked? Do you have those items and have you allowed KoLmafia to buy them if not? Do you have enough meat on hand to do so?

    How are you handling combat? Do you have your own CCS or are you using a consult script or are you expecting whatever the ascension script defaults to?

    As you might expect there is some core knowledge people expect others to have before there is any useful/meaningful discussion of KoL, KoLmafia and/or scripting topics. I don't think I have used any jargon or inscrutable topics in my questions. I am assuming you understand what I mean. If it turns out that is not the case, flip it back. Stop asking about running the script and ask "What is a CCS?" or "How do I view my recovery options?" or whatever will clarify what I am saying.
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